fbpx

If your child struggles with anxiety, aggression, seizure, or even sleep issues, how many times have someone advised you – “Have you tried CBD”? Every time I hear this, I wonder how CBD can be the answer to EVERY problem?

It turns out, it is quite possible.

Dr. Julie Buckley makes her second appearance on Episode 93 of Functional Nutrition and Learning for Kids in this fantastic deep dive into CBD and how to get started for your child!

I learned 3 important things:

  1. Pure CBD (without terpenes, without THC) is not a sedative or psychoactive
    It is all about the dose
  2. Water-soluble CBD is the way to go.
  3. You can reach Dr. Buckley at  www.HealthyUstore.com

If you loved this episode, please share your rating at www.ratethispodcast.com/vaish

Disclaimer: This is not medical advice. It is meant for educational purposes only. Please consult your doctor before making supplement changes for your child.

 

 

Listen On

 

Disclaimer: The information in this Podcast is for educational purposes only. Vaishnavi Sarathy, Ph.D. is an educator, not a doctor, specifically not your child’s doctor. Please consult your physician before implementing any supplement or diet recommendations.

Audio Transcript:

Vaish:

If your child struggles with anxiety, aggression, seizures, or even sleep issues, can you count how many times somebody has told you? Have you tried CBD? Every time I hear this have you tried CBD? I wonder how CBD can be the answer to every problem. Now it turns out it’s quite possible. Dr. Julie Buckley makes a second appearance on episode 93 of functional nutrition and learning for kids in this fantastic deep dive into CBD, and how to get started for your child. I’m your host wife. I’m a functional Nutrition Consultant for kids and a science and math teacher. I’m also a mom to an autistic teen poet with Down syndrome. Welcome to Episode 93.

Now, Dr. Barkley is the author of the book healing autistic children and your comprehensive guide to best breast cancer. She’s also an international speaker on Autism and Related Disorders. Judy is founded and is President of the healthy, you now Foundation, a nonprofit, which is dedicated to creating healthy living, treatment, and residential facilities for autistic individuals and their families. In addition, she is actively involved in research writing books, and raising two children with the help of a wonderfully supportive family. Dr. Buckley is spoken on this podcast about puberty and anxiety before that is episode 56. And you can find episode 56 at this link, functional nutrition for kids.com/ 2021 slash 56. Here’s a small disclaimer, there is a lot of detailed information in this podcast.

This is not meant to be medical advice is never on this podcast. It’s meant for educational purposes only. So please do consult your doctor before making supplement changes for your child. Hi again, Dr. Julie, thanks for joining us for the second time, this time for a more targeted conversation. But I’m really happy and grateful that you came again on this podcast.

Dr. Julie Buckley:

Oh, it’s my pleasure. Thanks so much for having me. Yeah,

Vaish:

Thank you. And last time, I think at the very end of our discussion we had talked about discussing CBD, which is a topic that I haven’t actually ever brought on this podcast before, and excited to cover it with you but the listeners and you can think of this as a CBD 101. I’m going to kind of start off with a general question. We’ll get into what it is maybe in this question or later. But nowadays, that’s the answer to everything right? Like of course with seizures and maybe neuroinflammatory conditions. But almost anything that an autistic child is struggling with is suffering from the first question that comes from other parents or their doctors is Have you tried CBD? What is it about CBD? Does that seem to make it an answer to everything? Or is that just a myth?

Dr. Julie Buckley:

No, it’s not a myth at all. It’s interesting. There are I think the answer comes from the fact that there are endocannabinoid receptors, on cells all over our body, all over our body. And they have many, many, many different purposes. I mean, we think of them primarily as things that are immunologically helpful and that are neurologically helpful. But CBD there are receptors all over your body all over your cells that are that can be used by CBD. And what is fascinating about CBD as a molecule is that it has the ability to bind to cells or into receptors, and to modify the receptor sites for other things. Oh, wow. So then CBD has the potential to influence not just CBD receptors alone, but also other receptors on your body that have other jobs. So it is sort of like a snake oil that actually works. It’s how we say that about hyperbaric because hyperbaric oxygen, and it’s like, it’s the snake oil that actually works because it works for everything. And CBD is a lot like that. It really does have tremendous potential to do an awful lot of different things.

Vaish:

So it may not be influencing that particular I bought the word for it modality directly, but it’s changing perhaps the receptor. So indirectly, maybe a second or third mode of action. It’s implementing Is that correct?

Dr. Julie Buckley:

That’s right. That’s right. Okay. So it has a far-reaching effect that is not directly just because of being CBD.

Vaish:

So this question of Have you tried CBD isn’t just people like throwing out a question it that actually has value.

Dr. Julie Buckley:

It does have value and it’s just you know, it’s funny I, I always give my son credit for the fact that I’m willing to talk about CBD that we use CBD in our office because was many years ago when the question of medical marijuana, which is a completely different thing, and we will I’m sure talk about that came up for a vote in the state of Florida. I voted no. And I was like, I don’t want anything to do with that I don’t, I just don’t want to be that person. I don’t want these. I was so misinformed. And my son looked at me and said, You are wrong, and you need to do your research. And I was so taken aback by that. And he had reached an age where I thought I owed him the respect of actually listening to him that I actually stayed home from Disney one day, they all went to Disney, and I stayed home on my computer. And when he got back that night to the hotel, I looked at him and I said, I stand corrected on CBD. I stand firm on my stance on THC, but I stand corrected. And that was the point at which we started using it in the office. And it turned out to be one of the most incredible tools I’ve ever had in my practice.

Vaish:

That’s amazing. And we’ll definitely come to both the question of medical marijuana and THC in this conversation both, which are very interesting and confusing to me at least. So are there a few? I know, you said that it could possibly work for everything. But are there a few specific conditions that come to mind where you’d be like, You need to try CBD first before you go anywhere else?

Dr. Julie Buckley:

Yes, I think so. But it is something that I use early on in almost everybody with this on the autism spectrum. Right. So if we go back to the conversation, the first conversation that we had when we talked about what’s wrong a little bit with autism, it’s not just it’s not medical, it’s not a mental health issue. This is a physical illness that has an awful lot of things that are wrong. Well, one of the things that we know is is is a problem in most kids with autism is that their immune system is no longer in balance. Right. So so when I say in balance, you know, I visualized the immune system as being sort of like that upside-down Bosu ball and your job is to keep that Bosu ball up and not to let it tip to one side or to another side or to another side. And what happens in our kids is that their immune systems very often are tipped and the primary place we see that tipping is in the world of autoimmunity and allergy and that sort of thing. And CBD is amazingly immuno-corrective.

I like immune balancing, it restores that Bosu ball into it’s its sort of upright and ready-to-go kind of position. And so the other thing that CVD does primarily one of its big impacts is that it’s neurologically so incredibly helpful. And the way it’s incredibly helpful is that it is incredibly anxiety relieving. It’s got a real influence on glutamate and helps to get glutamate under control. It’s got a real help with just anxiety reduction. And so one of the things that I reached for is I reached word early with my kids with autism because there’s so much trouble with their, with their immune systems. And especially we see this with kids who have not just autism but also have pans and pandas. And so you know, it’s interesting, one of the things that really convinced me you watch kids do better and be better and feel happier and all the rest of it and be able to function so much better when we started introducing some CBD. But what happened, which was fascinating to me was that when I had when COVID hit, and all of our kids got sent home from school and the world was just upside down. And there was so much anxiety. I increased CBD, you know, increase the dose a great deal for many, many, many of the children that I was working with. And what was fascinating was six months later when it was time to draw blood again. Everybody’s Panthers titers had profoundly decreased. Oh, wow. Yeah. And so, oh, this immune corrective thing. I’m actually measuring it. That’s kind of cool.

Vaish:

And corrective means that regardless of which side whether you’re under or overactive, it’s bringing it into balance, Correct.

Dr. Julie Buckley:

That’s why I like to use that word, immune corrective or immune balancing because it’s not always that it’s not just that it’s tipped one way and I need to tip it back to normal. It’s bringing the whole system back into balance. Correct?

Vaish:

Okay, awesome. I have several things that come to mind. I just want to quickly share that. I didn’t know about the glutamate that it balances glutamate for. We only started using CBD for sleep for my son. And he was just having this situation where he was unable you could tell that he was really, really tired. He wanted to sleep, but his eyes were in charge and his brain couldn’t turn up. Then with just a little bit of dietary kind of detective work. And I was thinking I mean, I’m a nutritionist. I thought I was doing great. It turns out we were doing a lot of fermented foods and a lot of home called gluten-free, dairy-free Asian foods that naturally had free glutamate and I realized it was just a light bulb moment I’m flooding a system with both histamine and glutamate. We went on a low glutamate diet and added GABA and it helped. But I do realize that when we added CBD the effect was significant. I didn’t make that connection. I thought it was a separate process. But I realized now maybe it was the glutamate who knows? So well.

Dr. Julie Buckley:

Yeah, and the other thing that’s also a true statement is that CBD has an action on that GABA receptor. I see. So if we potentiate things like GABA and that kind of stuff, so yeah,

Vaish:

Absolutely. Yeah. And I had tried CBD before for sleep for him, but at a much lower dosage than I think it was like. I mean, I’m sure the dosage is different for different people, but I was doing 12 milligrams or so at just told CBD at night, when I moved to more than 25 milligrams, the effect was immediate, there was no effect or good nor bad earlier, and then later there was an effect, then can you talk to us about the dosage of CBD? Seems like there’s a threshold where things start working, but I may be wrong.

Dr. Julie Buckley:

So it’s different for everybody. And the truer statement is that it is very, very difficult to overdose on CBD alone. Oh, right. So it is very, very difficult to overdose it, and alone being the keyword.

Dr. Julie Buckley:

Yes, alone being the keyword. So here are things that do happen that are negative when the CBD is an oil base. Sometimes children do not tolerate those oils well. And that will lead to bellyache and maybe some quote side effects. It’s a negative but it has nothing to do with the CBD. Then if there is a lot if there’s THC, in the product, that can be problematic. THC is something that is psychoactive whereas CBD is not THC is something that makes us feel a little bit like we’re losing control. That is a horrifying experience for most children who have autism who already have trouble with motor planning and controlling their motor output. I see. And so it’s very interesting. The people that I work with and the families that I work with have a tendency to be very anxious moms and dads and kids.

They have a tendency to be a little bit on the OCD side and a little bit of a controlling freak kind of thing. You know, I’ll own that you know I do. And the THC because you feel like you’re losing control. Most people that I talked to didn’t like the way they felt when they were using THC. CBD is not psychoactive and doesn’t have that same experience for folks. So it is when it’s CBD alone, we’re very, very, you know, it’s usually quite fine. Now there are a bunch of what we call terpenes. Those are other cannabidiol besides just CBD. So this would be your CBN CBG CDA. So there’s just the whole alphabet filling up and they’re all naturally occurring. They’re all naturally occurring. Yes. And some children do very well with those terpenes and get an added benefit from those without THC. So there’s CBD and isolation first there is CBD with its terpenes second, and then there’s full spectrum CBD that includes all the terpenes plus THC.

Okay, so if you think about it that way, I think it’s a lot easier to understand what we’re dealing with here. So when there are some people who don’t do well with terpenes and if we isolate them out and give them just the CBD, we find that it actually works very, very well. There are people who do better with their terpenes added. Then with the CBD in isolation, I generally don’t use THC, with the exception of patients who have cancer or if I am trying to control refractory seizures, because there is some science on the added benefit of some THC potentially eating the CBD in those situations.

So I’m a little more comfortable with that situation using some THC. But I tend to keep in, in, in CBD kind of the quantities I tend to, I tend to use only a full spectrum CBD. So,  So I think that that’s a very important thing to understand and to be able to differentiate. Now if I may. That leads me to the question of what is CBD versus what is medical marijuana? I just had a patient earlier today who I broached the idea of CBD and you could see Mom bristling and you don’t do drugs or not, you know, and I said before you even get started, let me tell you about this.

Right. So I think it’s very important to understand this. What’s the difference? And in what is you know, why do we call one thing marijuana? Why do we call it medical marijuana? Why do I need a card for that versus what is CBD right? So I think I always go back to what did nature intend and what God intends, right. And so, there are three species of cannabis plants, one is India one is Sativa.

The other one is something I can’t remember the species. But there’s, there’s three of them. And when they grow the way nature intended outside, in just the air, doing their thing, these plants grow to be huge, and they’re very Leafy. And they’re very stunning. And there they’re just there, they’re huge plants and their green leafy plant matter, which we probably would have when we were outside naked running around 24/7 the way God intended, we would have been eating some of this as well. If you bring those plants inside, you grow them it’s certain to grow light frequencies and certain fertilizers and this many hours of the day and this many hours of that this much amount of that.

What you do is grow a much smaller plant with many fewer leaves but a lot more flowers and buds. The THC is in the flowers and buds. So that is what makes something marijuana. When it grows outside in nature where it just becomes leaves and leaves and leaves and leaves and leaves. It is CBD it is hemp. And the difference is this one is you know, CBD comes from hemp and medical marijuana is where you get so much more THC. What is ridiculous is to grow a plant from marijuana and then try to extract CBD from it. That’s a waste of time and money. So what’s very interesting is that since 2018, plants that have grown as hemp has been 100% legal. All across the country. You don’t need a card, you don’t need anybody’s permission. You don’t need anything special. If it’s a hemp-derived CBD, it’s 100% legal when you need a card, or there are questions about licensing and it varies from state to state is when we’re talking about medical marijuana, where the plant was grown in a hothouse basically, for and bred for its THC content.

Vaish:

So basically the hemp plant and the hemp, it is a plant that is giving us CBD oil. So the same plant that we’re getting our hemp seeds from and so on. And however when that is grown in a more artificial or, I don’t know if that’s necessarily artificial, but an environment for marijuana the nature of the plant changes the growth of the this is typical for many plants, but this is how they’re specifically cultivated for marijuana.

Dr. Julie Buckley:

Exactly. And so that’s the difference. And that’s an I think that’s an important thing to understand. So scientifically this hemp plant is going to give us CBD and it’s going to give us what we want, there’s a trivial amount of THC in those plants.

Vaish:

Now and that is part of the whole plant CBD.

Dr. Julie Buckley:

Now, if we then take it to the next level, then I was told by somebody who was deep into this business many many years ago, that the future of this industry is in water-soluble products. So they have it’s it is it does end up being processed a little bit very, very safely because it’s generally speaking these are people who are all about nature and all about doing things as naturally as possible. So generally speaking, you’re going to find things as clean as possible. But you can nanoparticle eyes, that droplet of oil until it becomes so small that it is in fact water-soluble. And when you do that, you’re also able to fractionate out CBD alone. CBN alone CVG alone THC alone and that allows you the tremendous leeway to make products that has a very specific activity. And this is what’s happening in the CBD world now what is what they are doing is beginning to research.

Okay, well, what does this specific CBA what does it seem to specifically be helpful with? Is there something and then what happens when it’s in combination with and so this is where we come to where you can get CBD in isolation where there’s nothing else in your product, or you can get a broad spectrum that is THC free? Or the full spectrum that it has all of these terpenes plus the THC in it. So I understand

Vaish:

No, I think so that’s why we’re seeing CBD for sleep and CBD for energy and all that sort of stuff. Right?

Dr. Julie Buckley:

Right.

Vaish:

So I was wondering about that because we have one of those sleep-specific formulations. So perhaps they found a terpene. That is that is more. They have CBD plus that particular terpene. That’s helpful in sleep.

Dr. Julie Buckley:

And it is possible. I don’t know if this is the effect, but it is possible if it is still an oil base, and it is still a whole plant product. And the THC that is in it. There’s a difference between the Sativa brand, the Sativa species is generally meant to be something that is less sedating. So if you know and I don’t know that as I say, I don’t know this to be the be effect but my suspicion is that if something is designed specifically for sleep and it is still oil-based, it is using the indica species, which is much more likely to make you sleepy and be sedated. The Sativa is less likely to do that in terms of its THC, and CBD and isolation are never sedating. Never.

Vaish:

I see. Okay, that makes sense. I’ll give you.

Dr. Julie Buckley:

The munchies. It won’t make you sleepy. It doesn’t make you high. It’s not psychoactive.

Vaish:

Dr. Julie, the one biggest question that I’ve seen parents struggle with, and I struggled with it too, when I when I’m meeting clients is where to start? Because like you said, I often asked this question myself have you tried CBD? And then people will ask How should I try it? I don’t have an answer to them. Because with me and my son, we figured out a rhythm, we’re kind of you to have an intuition on where to start with your child and most parents will develop that but as a practitioner, so I’m then I ended up looking for practitioners who are fluent in the CBD language. And even so not many people, so far have been, you know, willing to give specific doses, how can parents start? So now let’s say they have a child who’s really having aggressive outbursts, maybe there are pans or pandas going on? How can they start?

Dr. Julie Buckley:

So it’s the same rule we use for everything, start low, and then go slow, be willing to increase, right? So generally speaking, you know, I think that even when people use an oil base, so the thing that’s cool about a water-soluble product, is that one milligram of water-soluble may be more like two to five milligrams of something that is oil-based. So you get a lot better bang for your buck with a water-soluble product. But even if it’s an oil-based product, generally speaking, you know, people who are so cautious, and they don’t know what to dose. And it’s very confusing because you’re doing based on your hand or you dosing based on your CBD because these guys label their products at stream every way under the sun, right? So you know, you’ll buy a bottle, it’ll say it’s got 1000 milligrams, well, there are 1000 milligrams and you’re 30 milliliters, then you have math to do, is there 1000 milligrams of CBD or is there 1000 milligrams of hemp extract?

So what you have to drill down to, and what you have to be able to understand as a parent, is how many milligrams of CBD are there in each milliliter or each capsule or each gel cap? That’s it and that way, you can then begin to compare apples to apples. So it really doesn’t matter how many milligrams are in the bottle, it matters how many milligrams are there per milliliter or per capsule. And that way you start to go, oh, that that’s not actually cheaper. It’s just way less CBD available to me. And so I think, you know, even in tiny, tiny people, you know, the foreign five-year-old kiddos, I’m not even remotely afraid to start with 10 milligrams a couple of times a day, sometimes three times a day. Not I wouldn’t even blink. And then if nothing happens, also, it’s not a negative, if nothing happens, give more, give more, the effect of CBD is very, very quick. You can almost use it for rescue. When there’s when, when there’s a temper.

Vaish:

Within a few minutes, then yeah, especially if it’s a water-soluble product. And if you’re like directly instead of a capsule, you’re doing it orally, you should maybe see it soon.

Dr. Julie Buckley:

Yeah, very, very quick. So, you know, it’s very helpful in the short term, and it’s very helpful very quickly. But, you know, I said to this family that I had in here this morning, my goal is always to have there be no anxiety, I don’t want to be responding, I don’t want to be reactive. In terms of anxiety, I want to be proactive, I want there to be joy, I want there to be it’s easy to go places and do things I want there to be I can try. And it doesn’t, it’s not anxiety-provoking, if I try something new, that’s the goal here, you know, so that it’s and that should be achievable. Even if somebody’s nonverbal, you should be able to, Hey, come on, let’s try this, here’s what I’m gonna get, here’s what we’re gonna do.

This is how it’s gonna work. Okay, let’s go for it. So. So, you know, and I am much more aggressive, I use only water-soluble products in my office, we private labeled something several years ago working with a company very specifically. And I was I I’m deeply appreciative for them coming along, for the ride of consistency and dose, and always having certificates of the assay. And being very, very committed to the pure products. And we have a product that is water-soluble, and generally in ours is in a capsule, we do have powder forms as well, because of course, there’s a cost to putting something in a capsule. So if a child is still using, opening all the capsules, it’s easier if we use a powder.

I will generally speak, start almost everyone off on 20 milligrams twice a day of a water-soluble product. And I don’t even blink about that. It because I’ve got so much experience now that when I’m dealing with somebody that I know has anxiety that I you know, whether they respond with stimming, they respond with NCDs they respond with, you know, just repetitive behavior or avoidance behavior that any part of that fight-flight or freeze anxiety response. If I see that at all, it’s gonna take at least 20 milligrams twice a day, to be able to get them there. So,

Vaish:

You know, sometimes then if you don’t get it, you keep increasing until I see. Okay, yeah!

Dr. Julie Buckley:

It was very interesting because my daughter, my poor daughter has no privacy. And she just doesn’t anxiety is the biggest thing that she still deals with. I mean, she’s 23 years old now. She’s, she speaks very, very well. We just got invited to go back to Carnegie Hall with our church choir again. Oh, nice. Yeah, in November. So we’re going again, she will ascend twice in Carnegie Hall. But we know she can go and do those things. But she still we’ve managed tremendous amounts of anxiety, in order for her to be able to do that stuff. And it was very, very interesting when COVID happened. And all of a sudden, we were in lockdown. And we were at home and the TV was on in my house and that kind of stuff. Her anxiety just went through the roof, even though her life was not appreciably very different. You know, we kept doing most of the same things that we were doing. She was still more anxious. And it was interesting because I had her on.

I think at the time, I had her on about 40 milligrams twice a day. And I was like, I’m not going to get I’m not going to survive this, either one of us is going to blow up. So I increased her to 60 milligrams twice a day. And that was obviously better. It was better. And then what I realized was that I was still getting pushed back on things and there were still times that she would sort of rant at me or she would persevere ate at me a little bit. And I thought we were still dealing with anxiety. So we talked about it, and I increased her again, from 60 to 80 milligrams.

The other thing I was hoping for was a little bit better seizure control because we still have a breakthrough seizure once in a blue moon. And deaths are horrifying experiences and I don’t like The so we went up to 80 milligrams twice a day. And she is a delight to be with at this point, I finally have her anxiety well enough controlled. She’s just plain fun. She’s funny, and she’s fun. And when we go to do errands, she doesn’t want me to come inside the store. I have her chauffeur, she’s going inside and taking care of it. She’s doing the grocery shopping by herself. She’s doing the returns. And she can go ask people and get things and take care of it now like she never could because I’ve got her anxiety control. So I was surprised at how much it took to help her have her anxiety controlled.

Vaish:

And this is just CBD. This is like what would you call a whole spectrum CBD.

Dr. Julie Buckley:

So actually, I have her on just the isolate. The next thing that I’m tempted to try is putting her on broad-spectrum and see whether or not I like that as much and see whether or not I need less dose or fewer milligrams if I add the terpenes in. So I’ve done that for her yet. You get a lot of magical behavior when you’re worried about seizures.

Vaish:

That is amazing. So you’ve gone to a dose that I probably would not have even thought of by myself. So So you said 80 milligrams or so and so there’s a lot of leeway to how much you could increase. Because my next question was going to be at what point would you think that CBD alone isn’t doing it, maybe I need to bring in THC.

Dr. Julie Buckley:

I’m still not going to be a big fan of THC. I don’t do that for kids with anxiety with maybe one or two exceptions. So I will try using a little and it’s still it’s only the THC that’s in a CBD product. So I do have a full spectrum product. And I do have one or two children who were very, very, very aggressive. And it was interesting, just that smidgen of THC, not natural naturally enough to get you high. But just it seems to potentiate the CBD just enough to make a difference.

Vaish:

So I have and this was part of what was naturally coming with the plant. It wasn’t added to the picture.

Dr. Julie Buckley:

Okay, all right. Yeah, I’m still working within the realm of just CBD. I don’t want to I don’t want to have to do the whole medical marijuana cards and all of the extra stuff that goes with that.

Vaish:

I’ve just that is so interesting. I didn’t even know this was an option. Because when I was I was the way I was thinking about this as a model was that, okay, you push CBD to maybe 30 or 40 milligrams, and then you start adding like 5% THC, 10%, THC, THC and so on. I was thinking like, I thought there was like a, like, it’s a little bit naive now to think about it. But I thought there was a percent THC to CBD ratio for every for, you know, for specific ailments.

Dr. Julie Buckley:

Well, I will tell you that many times, the manufacturers will tell you those kinds of things. And they have opinions, they have their opinions. And they are not always backed up by data. So, mine is no more than an opinion as well. But because this is we’re trying to get data I’m deeply, deeply intrigued. There’s an I have a like I said, a friend who has been deeply involved in this industry in a while for a while now who has a son with autism. And he and his wife are very, very interested in trying to actually get real, measurable data and try to see if we can suss out the differences in the British sense in order to figure it out to try to sort through what works best because at this point, I have a lot of clinical experience. And that is the data that I use, you know, in my experience, it’s worked this way and my experiences work that way. But you know, I have two young women who have intractable seizures.

One of them is taking 1200 milligrams of CBD twice a day, because nothing else has controlled her seizures as well. Now she’s on other seizure meds and she’s on a lot of other things as well. But just to give you like, and there’s no problem she’s not sedated, it’s not. She’s, it’s fine. And we have another young woman who’s also on very, very high doses like that, because the seizures are just out of control.

Vaish:

Anybody who’s thinking is or thinks that you were just dragging them that’s not the case because they’re fully functional and aware you’re they’re not. They’re not serrated, yeah.

Dr. Julie Buckley:

No, you can’t sedate somebody with CBD. It’s just not gonna happen.

Vaish:

Is there for somebody maybe let’s say there’s somebody that hypothetically needs only 20 milligrams of CBD for them if you overdid it. And let’s say we gave them 40 milligrams. But what might happen if you wait too much? That’s it, but you aren’t necessarily so the negative reactions are just THC, not not, when you’re doing a loan with CBD, there’s nothing.

Dr. Julie Buckley:

In my experience, you just really don’t see negatives with CBD. Unless it’s like I said, it’s an oil-related to the oil. It’s related to some other additives because a lot of people are starting to put other things in, hey, this is good. Let’s add this, let’s add then. Or if it’s this is a child who doesn’t do well with terpenes and would do Bettle better with what we call the ISO, just add alone.

Vaish:

So and that’s a very controlled way of doing it too. So just go with the CBD as much as you can and then maybe add the terpenes. And then if that doesn’t work out, bring the THC right. So that’s a nice controlled experiment.

Dr. Julie Buckley:

Yeah, I like it that way. It’s been very, very good because it’s helped me there are a few people who were using one of the oil-based full spectrum CBDs. And when we tried CBD, my isolette that was water-soluble, they did not do as well. And then I was like, Huh, okay, but if I give them broad-spectrum, not the full spectrum, they do great.

Vaish:

What that’s different, too. Okay, broad-spectrum and full spectrum. Right.

Dr. Julie Buckley:

So broad-spectrum is all your terpenes full spectrum is where we’ve got the CBD and the THC added. Sorry. Got it.Yeah.

Vaish:

Interesting. So thanks, Dr. Buckley. There’s so much I think I really got my CBD story. Sorted. In my mind, that’s really cool. Is there? Is there a, is there something you’d like to leave parents with who want to get started on CBD or who have experienced failure in the past?

Dr. Julie Buckley:

I think it is important to go back and understand that if it didn’t seem to work well, in the past, look at a dose and look at what products you were using and be willing to look at something and make sure that we’re getting the best bang for our buck. Often the lowest price is not even close to the cheapest CBD per per per milliliter. That’s the number one thing. And the second thing I would say is that I have become a very big fan of using the water-soluble product. I think it is just so much more cost-effective. And it’s so much easier, it doesn’t taste the way the oil-based products do. So that’s what we carry in our office. That’s what we carry in our store. And, and I am really proud of that product and how well people do with it.

Vaish:

So how can people access your store?

Dr. Julie Buckley:

that’s  www.HealthyUstore.com

Vaish:

Okay, that’s  www.HealthyUstore.com

Dr. Julie Buckley:

Okay, yep, there’s CBD on there.

Vaish:

I’ll put that in the show notes. Beautiful. Okay, thank you, doctors. Thanks for your time. And maybe now I know you mentioned h bar in the beginning. And now if that story is as interesting as this, I want to come back to that another time.

Dr. Julie Buckley:

It’s a great story too. I love that story.

Vaish:

Thanks for your time. Bye. Bye-bye. This episode can rightly be called CBD 101. Do remember to check in with a functional doctor or your PCP. If you have any questions about CBD. Now it’s important, but quite hard in my experience to find somebody knowledgeable in CBD and its therapeutic effects. I would love it if you could reach back to me and let me know if you do find such a practitioner. Other than Dr. Buckley Of course, so I can update my database. You can reach me at Weisz at functional nutrition for kids.com. As you leave me I request you to pause and leave a review for this podcast. You can do so now there’s a nice link for it so and that link is www.ratethispodcast.com/white Bye. Thank you for listening and see you next week.